Saw Chronology-Cuts

Ok now i have two fan-edits for the chronologycut for Saw. One is complete with the first 6 movies and one is yet only the beginning till the end of Saw I. In this post i will compare the two Cuts in style and scenes they used. To compare the versions, I will only use the first 2 dvds from JB, since they also end with the last bathroom scene.

The Jigsaw Files: 1 DVD - 140 minutes
JB's Cut (first 2 parts): 2 DVDs - 150 minutes

Both movies have a DVD title screen and different scene selections.

The Intro
JB: JB's Cut starts with the lionsgate and twisted pictures titles followed by the producer notes and directors. First screen is from Saw I, then II, then III (so not every single screen, but one from each movie). After that we see all title screens and then the real movie starts. (01:48)
First Scenes: JB starts with flashes of Hoffman and his sister, Jill Tuck in the park, Hoffman at the crime scene of his sister, Rigg's backstory at the school followed by the death of Dylan. After that we see the scene of John meeting William at the party without interruption as it is in the TJF version. (05:51)

TJF: The movie starts with a 3 second long scene, where adam is kidnapped. Then we see producer notes, but not from the original movie, but from the Fan Edited website. those two scenes are also outside the movie in VLC, those 23 seconds i will not count in this notes for easier finding in the movie itself. After the notes we see a biblic quote (Matthew 16:25) to introduce the movie. then we see different producer notes, this time with fitting melody and a nice saw style to it. between the notes we see several scenes:
Bobby falling of the table, John sitting desperately in a chair, John lifting Bobby up, John meeting William on the party (with little flashs of John in his lair, mostly to fit the audio). After that scene we see the title screen "The Jigsaw Files"

After John met William
JB: John and Jill meet at house he bought with the clock, when John lifts up Bobby it flashes to William meeting Harold, who puts his complaint on the table. (07:58) Now it starts where TJF start now too: in the Clinic with Cecil getting aggressive. It follows the whole story with Jill losing Gideon. (12:38)
TJF: After Cecil got aggressive we get to see the clock scene in Jigsaw's lair, both chronological orders seem logical for me although they differ in the two versions. After Bobby is shown it continues with Jill's story, but it is shortened a bit. (ex. Cecil and Amanda in the car) The Cherish your Life scene becomes a flashback when John is in the hospital. (o7:08)

After Gideon died
Both Versions continue with Art Blank meeting up with John and Jill (14:21/08:50) and both versions follow with John in the hospital (changes in sound (see note) and style) and then meeting with William talking about his cancer followed by John driving his car off the cliff. (note: The JB version features John's voice like in the flashbacks for a better understanding and TJF version features music for a better athmosphere). Both version continue with Cecil being captured and tested. (24:39/18:50)
Now comes a major difference: TJF adds Rigg in the school, which was featured in JB right in the beginning. This scene might be worth a later discussion. (20:38)
After that scene it continues the same as JB's version again. Jill meets John in his lair and she finds the pictures of cecil and the glass coffin. After that we have the pendulum scene in both versions with everything connected to that scene (Hoffman investigating, getting captured by Jigsaw, Shotgunchair) No major differences. (42:26/36:56)

Hoffman is recruited
Both versions continue in the storyline with Paul being tested, Mark being tested and Amanda being tested. The major difference is that JB first showed every trap and then the police investigation and TJF show the traps still as flashbacks. TJF also show Amanda and Cecil driving in the car as a blurry flashback that Amanda has while she is getting high. JB stays in the chronological order and TJF orientates on the chronological order but makes differences to make it story fitting. Amanda meets Jigsaw and is recruited at (59:51/54:56)

Amanda is recruited
Tapp and Sing find the location and the scene with the drill chair and the shotgun chair happens. No major differences (1:10:08/1:04:52).
Now again a major difference: TJF feature the "rockstar scene", which is not featured in JB's cut since it's a deleted scene. It is followed by another major difference. JB shows Tapp in his lair and TJF shows Gordon saying good night to his daughter. Since Adam took pictures of Gordon leaving the house, i think its reasonable that Tapp was in the house in fact before Zep started kidnapping. JB also features the scene with Amanda and John ("every cell in your body") before Diana wakes up. (1:11:52/1:05:58)
The story follows in both versions with the kidnap scenes. the cell in your body scene is in TJF right before Adam gets kidnapped. After the kidnap scenes the bathroom scene from Saw III ends at (1:30:52 (end DVD I)/ 1:23:12)

The Bathroom
Now both versions continue with the bathroom. The first flashback when Gordon starts telling the story was cut out in both versions at (15:24/1:36:50).
The first major difference is when Adam finds the note and the picture of Diana and Alison. TJF show how Zep treats them right afterwards and shows Tapp looking at him out of the window. The storyline of the bathroom has no major differences afterwards and is similar to the original movie. In the end of the movie both versions leave the flashbacks in with the key in the bathtub and with the victim flashes. the Jigsaw files adds flashbacks from the other saw movies into the fast process that were seen before too. John closes the door at (54:35/2:17:33).

The End
TJF show right with the screaming the credits. A few kind words and producer notes as credits with the actors, writers etc. After a coming soon screen we see Amanda entering the bathroom killing Adam ending with a screen "The Jigsaw Files II"
JB's second DVD doesn't end at the door closing part. It features Amanda's dream and then her killing Adam and stops then without credits since they are featured at the very end of all dvds.

And What version shall I watch now?
Both versions are highly recommended for different reasons.

JB's version has every single scene in the movie at the right place with a great edited style. For fans a must since it shws the timeline perfectly. TJF are different. They are oriented on the timeline, but leave parts out to make it look like a movie and not just like a timeline. TJF may be more rewatchable, but not as accurate. And vice versa for JB's version. If i had to rate both version, both would get an A with 10 million stars, because it is just awesome. I really hope when Saw VII comes out that both versions will get an update to be completed.

So Saw VII

Yeah the last one in the franchise is going to come and after trailers and so much information i am positive that it will be a great way to end the series. Like Rotti Largo this series will go out in a bang. More deaths, more traps. They really should have gave it a similar length to Saw III though. And i hope in all this massacre when it's going down that it still stays true to the story and doesnt overrate its traps and has not much more to it. I still need to find the best way to get to London for the opening weekend so i can see it for premiere for the first time, since its the last one in the series.

Afterthoughts 二

It was my first relationship over a long time aka over 3.5 months and with a real intimate life. I don't regret what i did, i dont even regret having a long range relationship, actually it is awesome aslong you can trust the other one and you dont have the feeling to visit the other one every day. a bit of distance isnt bad at all. But when you feel like the other person is using the space they have to betray you then the fun is over. i never had a proof and i never can be asured what exactly happened, but trust cant be just wished back out of nowhere so i will cope with what i think, what happened. I'm not even angry at her or myself, like it happened it just happened. i don't even regret paying the money for this long trip, because in the end everything happened gave me experiences in relationships and in trust, although i fall for this false trust again. Every journey needs to have an end and it's time to let go, so i can just cope with it and surely will find someone else where maybe this new experience will help at the end.

Afterthoughts

Its already a few weeks ago and i think its time to not only try to forget about some things but to face them. I was over 5 weeks in asia and i experienced so much i did never experience before in that amount of time. i learnd that a lot of things she does, she did because of her culture and not because she was unfriendly which i thought in germany when she did it. On another note i was considered to be unfriendly there because I was not used to there habits, like she wasnt to germany's. One thing i experienced was that "everyone in asia smileys always" is a lie, also it is a lie that its unfriendly to eat everything from your plate, but people always put things on your plate. things are cheap in singapore and for litte things you may get a huge punishment (ex. 1000 dollars for driving bicycle on some walkways), but i felt its more words then actually things done by the police. its a tourist magnet, shirts with such stuff but nothing more. In singapore you have a high reputation as a european, especially as a german, often you are looked at when you are the only caucasian, specially children look at you because its something new for them but otherwise you are really welcome. Also people try to be friendly and try to speak english with you, not like in germany where every shop is angry when you dont speak german. People in singapore seem to be more direct, whether they want to help you in translation things or are angry at you and tell you that. Its kind of strange in the beginning when people tell you thatthey feel like you are unfriendly, but you get used to it and apprechiate critism, thats mostly because of cultural differences anyway. the weather is overkill though. most of the people never saw snow before and have only one season. 25 degrees may seems ok, but with 90 percent humidity its really nervwrecking. i still have the feeling that when i was sweating that much was one of the reasons she left me from the beginning, but i may be wrong. One day at the waterpark i was completally white because of sunlotion twice and still got my second sunburn there. i am just not made for the tropical climate i think. Maybe Agbar wasnt either, which is why he committed suicide in my coke. its really sad that my chinese has no improvement here and noone has interest in me learning it anymore, because there i learnd alot and i really wish i could improve it for my future.

tallest clock tower here you come :)

i just leave this here

Saw VII Char-Info

Characters back:

Gordon - "meh", but in interview they said Gordon with foot, so maybe just flashbacks. and in present time just as a corpse. damn i start being afraid :(

Seth - awesome, i would love some flashbacks :)

Mallick - maybe just his corpse?

Not Back:

Brit (confirmed survive though) - its nice to see that we get the information what happened to her

Tara - too bad they won't show what happened after the Zoo-Massacre

Brent

Daniel - not needed to be back anyway

Rigg - same

Tapp - same

Amanda - I'm happy that she is not back :X

Pamela - It's kinda sad, cause all the three chars are still alive down there

Jeff Ridenhour - not needed

Other Information:
"Garage Trap" involving cars = The horsepower trap talked about

A lot of movement in the timeline :)

The Traps Come Alive My Ass...
The title is disgusting... to me.
Jesus Peter...

First pics from the Saw VII set

found on Kevin's Blog

the first pic shows the camera team in a room probably made for a series of tests.

the third pic may show a trap device on the lower right side of the screen and maybe the horsepower trap in the background.

the fourth pic has again this black thing on the right, which probably is from the company William F. White: William F. White International provides state-of-the-art lighting, grip, camera support, and related production equipment to the film, television and theatrical industries. Our challenge and our goal is to keep abreast of the ever changing and demanding requirements of the innovative professionals who use our services. As our mission statement states: "Our Business Is Relationships Founded On Integrity, Trust, Quality Of Service And Mutual Reward Through Team Commitment And Dedication".

it's hard to see whats on the camera screen on this pic

Saw VII is rated

Saw VII (SAW7)

Rated R
For sequences of grisly bloody violence and torture, and language. [Theaters 10/22/10]





/from MPAA

good thing that they call it Saw VII there