WITHOUT MAJOR SPOILERS AKA THINGS YOU SAW IN TRAILERS BEFORE ARE MENTIONED:
Ok all in all it's a lot different then what i heard i heard spoilers that were not really true at all. I was pretty afraid of the movie, but it turned out great for several reasons i cannot state without giving things away. The public trap was in fact not that great and it is kinda sad that there were no flashbacks of the other survivors, which was kinda sad. John was not really in the movie, he could have made the movie perfect if there were more flashbacks of him, but sadly there wasn't. The traps were awesome, but felt rushed kinda and yeah they were huge, but i think it was alright. Bobby's storyline felt kinda awkward, because there were no real flashbacks explaining stuff and the other victims felt random, but i have to admit i felt sorry for Bobby, that was made great i liked his character a lot and while watching the traps my heart was bumping and i hoped for some victims to survive and when a person died or survived it always got me. I heard a lot of spoilers pointing out the bad things and i had such a low expectation that it didnt seem bad at all. The cops were all over the place and it felt kinda strange them running around like lemmings, but still it was good. Although i have to admit its a saw film so after seeing the movie 5 or 10 times my views on it can change. If they make a directors cut with more John stuff and longer traps this movie will be a lot better. But even without it is not really bad either. Another thing is there was not really a twist, but the ending still was shocking i think.
SPOILER REVIEW:
Ok if you have not seen the movie, please do not read further unless you are not a saw fan anyways and just read this for fun, but reading this will ruin a lot of movie experience.
Ok the movie starts with Dr.G crawling out the bathroom, that scene was kinda cool. The public trap wasn't really good, but not that bad either, like a standard opening trap it felt like. In my crappy version the gore looked stupid though. Jill's trap... i'm still angry about it, one thing that was spoiled for me was that it was her nightmare and it made me angry before watching the movie, because a trap feels so random, it was only there for the sake of gore and for the sake of showing it. While watching the movie it grew on me though, because it made clear why Jill was such a crybaby in the movie. Her character arc made a 180 degree turn from that point. In Saw V mysterious to Saw VI becomming kickass to Saw VII being the total victim. On the other side Hoffman showed us what kickass character he is. The whole thing with him getting to Jill Tuck was epic and his way of killing her was great too. Some people think this movie is not a real saw movie because the trap seemed so random and so many people died, just for Hoffman to get what he wants, but i think that is exactly what Saw VI lead us to. It would have been cooler if Hoffman got shot by the police on the way outside the station, because it seemed knda dumb that no police man thought about going to that police station and looking whats wrong. Instead showing the survivors get him was great though. They made clear that all the survivors learned from the traps and in seeing Hoffman as just a murderer they REALLY completed John's legacy. The survivors get Hoffman and make him suffer for what he has done. It was not only Gordon. Gordon is not an apprentice either, they will most likely not test anyone, they are happy they got the opportunity to change there life, so did Gordon, and locking Hoffman up ends the series. BTW bringing the bathroom back was the best thing in the whole film. I wanted it for so many years now it was great to see Dr. Gordon's rotted foot. I think seeing the bathroom would have been kinda twist like for me if it wasnt spoiled ONE freaking day before i finally saw it :( i really hope you guys didn't got the bathroom spoiled. Dr.G helping wasnt a big spoiler though and i was happy i got it spoiled, cause i was so afraid they make him an apprentice, but in the end it seemed more like a little helper for me and more of a symbol for the survivor group. The traps in all were great i will rate them here now:
Public Trap: 4/10. The idea wasn't too bad and it kinda shows the concept of Saw VII, which is publicity in a way.
Jill's Trap: 6/10 (9/10 if it was real)
Garage Trap: 8/10. This was one epic trap, sadly it was too short, they could have made a lot more of it.
Lawnmowertrap: 7/10. The thing is that we saw nothing, it's left to our imagination i kinda liked that, i still hope they expend it in the director's cut though
1. The Hanging Cage: 6/10. nice easy concept. Only Bobby alone and no random victim.
2. The Dentist Chair: 6/10. Nice trap, not outstanding but was nice.
3. The Wheel: 8/10. I am not sure why but it made me feel for the victim i was sitting here and it was one hell of a time because i really thought this time the victim could survive, in the end it was at least a nice death scene. Sadly i understood one scene first the wrong way. When the police arrived at the scene the hear Bobby scream and i thought this victim was still alive and not that they reacted to Bobby.
4. Pulling teeth: 5/10 Not really a trap, but kinda nice scene, although it was random
5. The Blindfolded: 4/10 I didnt like this trap really much.
6. Bobby's Final Test: 9/10 This trap was awesome. It is sad that Joyce died, but it is so ironic that he had to test himself in his own test and he was so kept in that thought that he didn't consider trying to get up another wayinstead of putting the hooks inside his muscles. And at the end he failed his test, which was kinda sad, because i would have liked to see a happy end for him and Joyce.
Reverse Bear Trap: 9/10 Yeah we all wanted to see him, it's kinda random they used it in VI and VII now, but still it was great, because now every apprentice was in that trap, although of course there is a difference, Jill was just executed and i think she was so afraid that she lost her survival instinct, too.
Sunday, October 31, 2010
Friday, October 22, 2010
Burj Khalifa be prepared
So the news are not new that there are proposals for buildings that will be taller then burj khalifa, but in 3 weeks one of them is actually set into motion and will be constructed for real and not stay a vision. That Tower will be Kingdom Tower located in Jeddah. Saudi Arabia is stunning the world with its major project in Mecca already, where the most massive skyscraper is constructed. Now only about 60kms away there will rise this major building which is set to be over 1000m high. Some sources even say 1600m. The final design is yet to be announced, or at least i have not heard that this will stay the final design. This would become the first building over 250m in the city and overtower most likely everything around. The picture and the news are from skyscrapercity.com a forum i use to stay a lot. More details will come in the next weeks.
So where can we go from here?
MASSIVE SAW VII SPOILERS AHEAD
The Jill gets torn apart clip made me think of several things. They wouldn't show it if it's the last scene of the movie. Also Betsy had not that much time on set if im not mistaken. We thought Hoffman against Jill may be the general topic of the movie, but there we have Dr. G. Lawrence and Hoffman are no friends is what they said, so the story may begin with Hoffman getting his revenge on Jill in like the first 30 minutes of the movie and continue with Lawrence against him. It actually makes sense. also they said they had the idea to make two movies instead of this one. That means the general story could have been like Saw V and Saw VI. In V it's all about Strahm and Hoffman, VII would have been Jill against Hoffman but they made the story shorter and the original end with the death of Jill comes earlier and is no twist at all more a start for the actual story. Like that it doesnt need to be a dream sequence or anything it is just what happens. Remember when we thought Saw IV would be all about Jeff's new game? The Saw Crew surprised us with something epic and thats what happened again. I still hope Jigsaw will have a plan for Hoffman so he won't come to far though, cause yeah he has to die.
The Jill gets torn apart clip made me think of several things. They wouldn't show it if it's the last scene of the movie. Also Betsy had not that much time on set if im not mistaken. We thought Hoffman against Jill may be the general topic of the movie, but there we have Dr. G. Lawrence and Hoffman are no friends is what they said, so the story may begin with Hoffman getting his revenge on Jill in like the first 30 minutes of the movie and continue with Lawrence against him. It actually makes sense. also they said they had the idea to make two movies instead of this one. That means the general story could have been like Saw V and Saw VI. In V it's all about Strahm and Hoffman, VII would have been Jill against Hoffman but they made the story shorter and the original end with the death of Jill comes earlier and is no twist at all more a start for the actual story. Like that it doesnt need to be a dream sequence or anything it is just what happens. Remember when we thought Saw IV would be all about Jeff's new game? The Saw Crew surprised us with something epic and thats what happened again. I still hope Jigsaw will have a plan for Hoffman so he won't come to far though, cause yeah he has to die.
Thursday, October 14, 2010
Soon :)
星期六二零一零年十月三十号，我去看《奪魂鋸3D》。我对这部电影很感兴趣！我很喜欢《恐懼鬥室》和它的继续。星期五我去伦敦坐巴士。我和朋友见面。我们星期六晚上一起去电影院。星期一我中午回家和星期二我去学校。
correction by Sebastian
星期六，二零一零年十月三十号，我【将】去看《奪魂鋸3D》。我对这部电影很感兴趣！我很喜欢《恐懼鬥室》和它的【续集】。星期五我坐巴士【去伦敦】。我【会】和朋友见面。我们星期六晚上一起去电影院。【我】星期一中午回家，【然后】星期二我去学校。
correction by Sebastian
星期六，二零一零年十月三十号，我【将】去看《奪魂鋸3D》。我对这部电影很感兴趣！我很喜欢《恐懼鬥室》和它的【续集】。星期五我坐巴士【去伦敦】。我【会】和朋友见面。我们星期六晚上一起去电影院。【我】星期一中午回家，【然后】星期二我去学校。
Monday, October 11, 2010
Saw Chronology-Cuts
Ok now i have two fan-edits for the chronologycut for Saw. One is complete with the first 6 movies and one is yet only the beginning till the end of Saw I. In this post i will compare the two Cuts in style and scenes they used. To compare the versions, I will only use the first 2 dvds from JB, since they also end with the last bathroom scene.
The Jigsaw Files: 1 DVD - 140 minutes
JB's Cut (first 2 parts): 2 DVDs - 150 minutes
Both movies have a DVD title screen and different scene selections.
The Intro
JB: JB's Cut starts with the lionsgate and twisted pictures titles followed by the producer notes and directors. First screen is from Saw I, then II, then III (so not every single screen, but one from each movie). After that we see all title screens and then the real movie starts. (01:48)
First Scenes: JB starts with flashes of Hoffman and his sister, Jill Tuck in the park, Hoffman at the crime scene of his sister, Rigg's backstory at the school followed by the death of Dylan. After that we see the scene of John meeting William at the party without interruption as it is in the TJF version. (05:51)
TJF: The movie starts with a 3 second long scene, where adam is kidnapped. Then we see producer notes, but not from the original movie, but from the Fan Edited website. those two scenes are also outside the movie in VLC, those 23 seconds i will not count in this notes for easier finding in the movie itself. After the notes we see a biblic quote (Matthew 16:25) to introduce the movie. then we see different producer notes, this time with fitting melody and a nice saw style to it. between the notes we see several scenes:
Bobby falling of the table, John sitting desperately in a chair, John lifting Bobby up, John meeting William on the party (with little flashs of John in his lair, mostly to fit the audio). After that scene we see the title screen "The Jigsaw Files"
After John met William
JB: John and Jill meet at house he bought with the clock, when John lifts up Bobby it flashes to William meeting Harold, who puts his complaint on the table. (07:58) Now it starts where TJF start now too: in the Clinic with Cecil getting aggressive. It follows the whole story with Jill losing Gideon. (12:38)
TJF: After Cecil got aggressive we get to see the clock scene in Jigsaw's lair, both chronological orders seem logical for me although they differ in the two versions. After Bobby is shown it continues with Jill's story, but it is shortened a bit. (ex. Cecil and Amanda in the car) The Cherish your Life scene becomes a flashback when John is in the hospital. (o7:08)
After Gideon died
Both Versions continue with Art Blank meeting up with John and Jill (14:21/08:50) and both versions follow with John in the hospital (changes in sound (see note) and style) and then meeting with William talking about his cancer followed by John driving his car off the cliff. (note: The JB version features John's voice like in the flashbacks for a better understanding and TJF version features music for a better athmosphere). Both version continue with Cecil being captured and tested. (24:39/18:50)
Now comes a major difference: TJF adds Rigg in the school, which was featured in JB right in the beginning. This scene might be worth a later discussion. (20:38)
After that scene it continues the same as JB's version again. Jill meets John in his lair and she finds the pictures of cecil and the glass coffin. After that we have the pendulum scene in both versions with everything connected to that scene (Hoffman investigating, getting captured by Jigsaw, Shotgunchair) No major differences. (42:26/36:56)
Hoffman is recruited
Both versions continue in the storyline with Paul being tested, Mark being tested and Amanda being tested. The major difference is that JB first showed every trap and then the police investigation and TJF show the traps still as flashbacks. TJF also show Amanda and Cecil driving in the car as a blurry flashback that Amanda has while she is getting high. JB stays in the chronological order and TJF orientates on the chronological order but makes differences to make it story fitting. Amanda meets Jigsaw and is recruited at (59:51/54:56)
Amanda is recruited
Tapp and Sing find the location and the scene with the drill chair and the shotgun chair happens. No major differences (1:10:08/1:04:52).
Now again a major difference: TJF feature the "rockstar scene", which is not featured in JB's cut since it's a deleted scene. It is followed by another major difference. JB shows Tapp in his lair and TJF shows Gordon saying good night to his daughter. Since Adam took pictures of Gordon leaving the house, i think its reasonable that Tapp was in the house in fact before Zep started kidnapping. JB also features the scene with Amanda and John ("every cell in your body") before Diana wakes up. (1:11:52/1:05:58)
The story follows in both versions with the kidnap scenes. the cell in your body scene is in TJF right before Adam gets kidnapped. After the kidnap scenes the bathroom scene from Saw III ends at (1:30:52 (end DVD I)/ 1:23:12)
The Bathroom
Now both versions continue with the bathroom. The first flashback when Gordon starts telling the story was cut out in both versions at (15:24/1:36:50).
The first major difference is when Adam finds the note and the picture of Diana and Alison. TJF show how Zep treats them right afterwards and shows Tapp looking at him out of the window. The storyline of the bathroom has no major differences afterwards and is similar to the original movie. In the end of the movie both versions leave the flashbacks in with the key in the bathtub and with the victim flashes. the Jigsaw files adds flashbacks from the other saw movies into the fast process that were seen before too. John closes the door at (54:35/2:17:33).
The End
TJF show right with the screaming the credits. A few kind words and producer notes as credits with the actors, writers etc. After a coming soon screen we see Amanda entering the bathroom killing Adam ending with a screen "The Jigsaw Files II"
JB's second DVD doesn't end at the door closing part. It features Amanda's dream and then her killing Adam and stops then without credits since they are featured at the very end of all dvds.
And What version shall I watch now?
Both versions are highly recommended for different reasons.
JB's version has every single scene in the movie at the right place with a great edited style. For fans a must since it shws the timeline perfectly. TJF are different. They are oriented on the timeline, but leave parts out to make it look like a movie and not just like a timeline. TJF may be more rewatchable, but not as accurate. And vice versa for JB's version. If i had to rate both version, both would get an A with 10 million stars, because it is just awesome. I really hope when Saw VII comes out that both versions will get an update to be completed.
The Jigsaw Files: 1 DVD - 140 minutes
JB's Cut (first 2 parts): 2 DVDs - 150 minutes
Both movies have a DVD title screen and different scene selections.
The Intro
JB: JB's Cut starts with the lionsgate and twisted pictures titles followed by the producer notes and directors. First screen is from Saw I, then II, then III (so not every single screen, but one from each movie). After that we see all title screens and then the real movie starts. (01:48)
First Scenes: JB starts with flashes of Hoffman and his sister, Jill Tuck in the park, Hoffman at the crime scene of his sister, Rigg's backstory at the school followed by the death of Dylan. After that we see the scene of John meeting William at the party without interruption as it is in the TJF version. (05:51)
TJF: The movie starts with a 3 second long scene, where adam is kidnapped. Then we see producer notes, but not from the original movie, but from the Fan Edited website. those two scenes are also outside the movie in VLC, those 23 seconds i will not count in this notes for easier finding in the movie itself. After the notes we see a biblic quote (Matthew 16:25) to introduce the movie. then we see different producer notes, this time with fitting melody and a nice saw style to it. between the notes we see several scenes:
Bobby falling of the table, John sitting desperately in a chair, John lifting Bobby up, John meeting William on the party (with little flashs of John in his lair, mostly to fit the audio). After that scene we see the title screen "The Jigsaw Files"
After John met William
JB: John and Jill meet at house he bought with the clock, when John lifts up Bobby it flashes to William meeting Harold, who puts his complaint on the table. (07:58) Now it starts where TJF start now too: in the Clinic with Cecil getting aggressive. It follows the whole story with Jill losing Gideon. (12:38)
TJF: After Cecil got aggressive we get to see the clock scene in Jigsaw's lair, both chronological orders seem logical for me although they differ in the two versions. After Bobby is shown it continues with Jill's story, but it is shortened a bit. (ex. Cecil and Amanda in the car) The Cherish your Life scene becomes a flashback when John is in the hospital. (o7:08)
After Gideon died
Both Versions continue with Art Blank meeting up with John and Jill (14:21/08:50) and both versions follow with John in the hospital (changes in sound (see note) and style) and then meeting with William talking about his cancer followed by John driving his car off the cliff. (note: The JB version features John's voice like in the flashbacks for a better understanding and TJF version features music for a better athmosphere). Both version continue with Cecil being captured and tested. (24:39/18:50)
Now comes a major difference: TJF adds Rigg in the school, which was featured in JB right in the beginning. This scene might be worth a later discussion. (20:38)
After that scene it continues the same as JB's version again. Jill meets John in his lair and she finds the pictures of cecil and the glass coffin. After that we have the pendulum scene in both versions with everything connected to that scene (Hoffman investigating, getting captured by Jigsaw, Shotgunchair) No major differences. (42:26/36:56)
Hoffman is recruited
Both versions continue in the storyline with Paul being tested, Mark being tested and Amanda being tested. The major difference is that JB first showed every trap and then the police investigation and TJF show the traps still as flashbacks. TJF also show Amanda and Cecil driving in the car as a blurry flashback that Amanda has while she is getting high. JB stays in the chronological order and TJF orientates on the chronological order but makes differences to make it story fitting. Amanda meets Jigsaw and is recruited at (59:51/54:56)
Amanda is recruited
Tapp and Sing find the location and the scene with the drill chair and the shotgun chair happens. No major differences (1:10:08/1:04:52).
Now again a major difference: TJF feature the "rockstar scene", which is not featured in JB's cut since it's a deleted scene. It is followed by another major difference. JB shows Tapp in his lair and TJF shows Gordon saying good night to his daughter. Since Adam took pictures of Gordon leaving the house, i think its reasonable that Tapp was in the house in fact before Zep started kidnapping. JB also features the scene with Amanda and John ("every cell in your body") before Diana wakes up. (1:11:52/1:05:58)
The story follows in both versions with the kidnap scenes. the cell in your body scene is in TJF right before Adam gets kidnapped. After the kidnap scenes the bathroom scene from Saw III ends at (1:30:52 (end DVD I)/ 1:23:12)
The Bathroom
Now both versions continue with the bathroom. The first flashback when Gordon starts telling the story was cut out in both versions at (15:24/1:36:50).
The first major difference is when Adam finds the note and the picture of Diana and Alison. TJF show how Zep treats them right afterwards and shows Tapp looking at him out of the window. The storyline of the bathroom has no major differences afterwards and is similar to the original movie. In the end of the movie both versions leave the flashbacks in with the key in the bathtub and with the victim flashes. the Jigsaw files adds flashbacks from the other saw movies into the fast process that were seen before too. John closes the door at (54:35/2:17:33).
The End
TJF show right with the screaming the credits. A few kind words and producer notes as credits with the actors, writers etc. After a coming soon screen we see Amanda entering the bathroom killing Adam ending with a screen "The Jigsaw Files II"
JB's second DVD doesn't end at the door closing part. It features Amanda's dream and then her killing Adam and stops then without credits since they are featured at the very end of all dvds.
And What version shall I watch now?
Both versions are highly recommended for different reasons.
JB's version has every single scene in the movie at the right place with a great edited style. For fans a must since it shws the timeline perfectly. TJF are different. They are oriented on the timeline, but leave parts out to make it look like a movie and not just like a timeline. TJF may be more rewatchable, but not as accurate. And vice versa for JB's version. If i had to rate both version, both would get an A with 10 million stars, because it is just awesome. I really hope when Saw VII comes out that both versions will get an update to be completed.
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